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GENERAL MEETING NOTES
DATE: Monday, April 28, 2008 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Jerald Schneider called the meeting to order @ 7:12pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion to accept made by Marty Nussbaum, seconded by Brandon Conrad. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report
Motion to accept made by Mike Clancy, seconded by Hank Calmes. Motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
· Memberships are on sale again tonight; This is the last meeting to buy memberships. Memberships will also be sold after tonight up until the practice day on May 10th, but the number registration will increase. After May 10th, memberships will no longer be sold !!!
· Nightly sponsors—We have one open night on May 29th; If anyone has any leads, please talk to an officer after the meeting
· Minor release forms and pit waiver forms and cards are available tonight
· 2008 race procedure change; super stocks will qualify in the same spot as last year, so the only change will be an earlier drivers meeting, happening around 4:40pm in the inner pits so the flagman can attend; The outer pits one will be happening the same time as usual
· 141/FRRC Super Stock race series dates are June 5th, July 10th and August 7th, as requested by the drivers.
· Big Wheel races are on June 12th and August 14th; Coin Drop is on July 10th; Kids Ride-along is on July 17th. All of these events start at 6:45pm and we are hoping can be wrapped up BY 7pm, so we can start on time…
· Rule books are available; 1 per team.
NEW BUSINESS
· Nightly pay increases; due to getting more money from Roger this year, we put an extra $1,000 per night into the divisional pay, involving all the divisions.
· Darboy Corner Store wants to do a car show in May; More details will be announced at a later date.
· Pat Barrett was in attendance to field questions at the end of the meeting.
· Chris Shields asked about procedures and points for the 141/FRRC series. Jerry said this would all be worked out with Mike Bunnell.
· Mark Ritger said he could not get his car ready for the Chilton car show, but George Schwalbach should be commended for bringing his car there to promote the club.
TOPICS FROM THE FLOOR
· Dan Harrell asked about points for heat races and asked if the officers had looked into that yet. Jerry read off the proposal from officers for upping the points for all heats except the dash to even things out a bit. Basically one point per heat less for winning: dash 16 points to win, fast heat 15 to win, slow heat 14 to win. This is in an attempt to keep more cars in the point chase. Andy Monday feels if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it. Jim Duchow suggested 2 point per race, but officers looked it up and it currently IS that way now. Mark Diercks suggested voting on the matter. Raise of hands vote—1 per team enforced for the LLM and LM classes combined: 8 teams wanted to keep it the same and 10 wanted to try the new proposed way. We will try the new format and review it at the end of the season.
· Chris Shields asked if he couldn’t make the practice day, could he still get inspected before the first night. Jerry requested that he either have his car there, even if he can’t be there or just have it inspected that first night. We will not be asking tech inspectors to do work on days they are not working.
· Pat Barret came up next and gave a short speech on his plans for the 2008 season flagging for the club and opened the topic up for questions from the members
QUESTIONS FOR PAT BARRET
Q-----Dan Harrell said he feels that there were a few questionable starts in semi-features last year. He said when he approached Pat last year; he was told it was just a semi-feature. Dan feels that all semi-features and features should be treated the same.
A---Pat said he did not remember that conversation and if that is what he said, he was wrong. He did elaborate and say there are only so many tries we can give a race, before the fans get unsettled.
Q----Hank Calmes asked who has the final say in calls, when spotters are reporting what they see, as well as officers on the radio.
A---Pat said that to his knowledge, he will have the final say. Clint added that officers will speak up if Pat and track spotters didn’t see something that an officer saw, but ultimately we HIRED Pat to have the final say on the matter.
Q---Tom Hockers asked if cone prep for pick-a-lane could be done quicker, as it slows the show down considerably.
A---Pat suggested that we move the cone closer to turn 4, so they can get the one to go after picking a lane and not have to go around the track one more time.
Q---Dan Vixmer asked if cars picked a lane, and then there was a re-start right away, do they go back to the spots they just picked or re-pick?
A—same spots, no re-pick
Q---Please define 2 caution rule
A—Pat said the way he understands it to be…One freebie caution…the second one and the race is over. This does NOT count immediate re-starts.
Q---Jeff Zwiers asked that Pat make sure drivers have adequate warning before being black flagged
A---Pat agreed, unless it is blatant disrespect, earning an immediate black flag.
Q---Jerry Quella asked about one-way radios
A---Pat doesn’t have much experience with these, but the tower will communicate to them and not the flagman.
Comment-Tom Rosera said that the race-ceivers are used on many dirt tracks and they tend to speed the show up, as they improve the communication
Q—Charlie Haven asked if there is a universal response to show that they hear us, so they don’t get black flagged, even if they have it on?
A—We will work this out together in the division as the season starts.
Pat was thanked for his attendance at the meeting.
MORE TOPICS FROM THE FLOOR
Denny Crass asked for clarification on team memberships in the super stock class and the procedure was explained to him.
Jerry Quella commented that the race-ceivers that were ordered from him are in and can be picked up.
Dennis Stebane asked about different procedures about keeping cars from overheating or wasting gas. Jerry said we will cut down warm up laps to speed the program up and take the season as it comes, always trying to be mindful of what time it is on the clock.
Hank Calmes suggested that the pace car leave off the back stretch
Dan Carpenter asked if we would lock up Goodyear tires from travelers in the shed. Jerry said probably not, but instead have the tech inspectors check the tires closely for soaking and depth.
Todd Verhagen asked why you couldn’t sub someone to qualify the car for you if you have something that cannot be missed, like Graduation. Jerry said we will discuss it among officers and let the body know what we think we can do about it, if anything.
Larry Van Groll said May 6th is the first Tuesday Night practice at W.I.R. from 3:30pm—dark
Tom Gee, Jr. mentioned that the scales are getting calibrated by Valley Scale right now.
Jerry reminded everyone to pick up driver information cards and turn them in asap, so the tower has accurate information.
50/50 winner was Al Goueleke $47
Motion to adjourn was made by Mike Clancy, seconded by Tom Hockers
Meeting adjourned at 8:04 pm.
DATE: Monday, March 24, 2008 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Jerald Schneider called the meeting to order @ 7:08pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion to accept made by Dave Moderson, seconded by Andy Monday. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report
Motion to accept made by Andy Monday, seconded by Dave Moderson. Motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
· Memberships are on sale again tonight; we will allow folks to buy them up until practice day
yet this year, but this could change for next year.
· Contract meeting with Roger occurred; Roger gave us ½ of what we were asking for. He was very reasonable and we are planning on putting the extra money towards the nightly payout.
· We are still in need of 2 nightly flyer sponsors. See Clint or Larry if you are interested. They are $200 for a full season.
· Nightly sponsors—We have one open night on May 29th; If anyone has any leads, please see Larry.
NEW BUSINESS
· 2008 FFRC/WIR schedules and posters are here, please take some and distribute them in the area.
· 2008 race procedures—we are recommending bumping up the SS qualifying to earlier in the night. We would like to discuss it further with this division after the meeting to find a time that would work out best. We also want to discuss which nights this division would like to run their 3 race 141/FRRC races, so we can let Gandrud know.
· Nightly payout increases-we hope to have some final numbers after the Audit committee looks over our proposals.
· Pat Barrett will be in attendance to answer any questions folks may have at next month’s meeting.
· Car Shows—we are invited to attend the Chilton car show at Calumet County Fairgrounds on April 27th. Darboy Corner Store and DJ’s Speedzone would also like to do car shows in early May.
· Beway will return as our parts and fuel supplier. They will again do their “Dash for Gas” where any LLM or LM feature winner who buys a minimum amount of TORCO fuel from Wayne and carries a TORCO and BEWAY sticker on their car will get a certificate for free gas. More details on exact amounts coming soon.
· Minor release forms and pit insurance waivers are required again in 2008; forms are available up front.
TOPICS FROM THE FLOOR
· Andy Monday thought that doing a drivers meeting early would be very helpful, so everything isn’t so rushed before the national anthem. He also suggested opening the pit gate at 3:30pm. Jerry said we will do our best to get it open as early as physically possible. We also would like to bump up the drivers meeting to somewhere in the ball park of 4:40pm
· George Schwalbach said there was a lot of congestion last year with getting trailers in the pits. He thought it ran smoother in years past when the gate by the pit stop was open for SS and sport truck trailers. Jerry said we can talk to Roger about this.
· Tom Hockers said the announcer takes forever to interview people and this is part of the delay to not starting at 7pm. Jerry said sometimes the drivers meeting still takes folks away from the front stretch where they are supposed to be for the anthem, kids ridealong, etc.
· Randy Sankowsky suggested sizzling 4 practice, then SS practice, then sport trucks, then SS qualify, then sport truck qualify to give more time, or something similar to that. Jerry said we would look into it and it seemed to be a good idea.
· Dennis Stebane suggested having everyone at ½ speed for two laps behind the pace car to warm up tires, rather than doing hot laps and having the cars scattered.
· Andy Monday said if the SS qualifying does move up, let the fast qualifier of the SLM division skip the weigh in until after the anthem, as they are trapped in the bottle neck by the scale. It was mentioned that last year this changed and we weighed BEFORE qualifying, so that shouldn’t be an issue.
· Mark Ritger took issue with having the SS qualify 1 and ½ hours earlier than last year. He said that is too much of a switch in time and many folks wont be able to get there that early. Jerry said every other division needs to be there by that time, but we can work with the division and maybe skate it back a bit, but it will still more than likely be before LLM and LM qualifying.
· Dennis Stebane said under cautions we should have the cars shut off to save gas instead of taking several laps and wasting gas. Jerry said this would work on most nights, unless it is 90 degrees
· Mark Ritger asked if you have to have race-ceivers in order to compete? Just in case we get travelers who don’t have them. Jerry said that Matt Rowe will have a few of them to rent on race nights, but not an abundance of them. Ron Magdanz said folks can still order them from him at a good rate. Mike Bunnell said that at 141 they do checks to make sure each driver can hear the message being sent and if they do not respond, they are black flagged from the event. So, they will be required. Clint said Bud Collar at Race-com will also be selling them if you order from him. Tom said he spoke with Matt Rowe and the elite 1600 is the model of choice, as you can keep it on one channel. It is different than a scanner. Scanners will not be accepted as a substitute for the race-ceiver
· Mike Kelly brought up the possibility of allowing Goodyear tires in the LLM division. Jerry said the officers discussed it recently and feel allowing a 3 race maximum, like the side exhaust seems reasonable, so we are not chasing travelers away. We will do an amendment to allow this soon.
· Mike Kelly suggested forming a rules committee for the 2009 season to go through the rules and come up with rules suggestions, getting together with drivers in the division to discuss ideas, etc and then coming up with recommendations to present to the officers by the October meeting. Basically, the officers would only get involved after the recommendations are made, not right from day one of the discussions. The officers all were in favor of this and would love to see every division take charge of this task. Mike Kelly suggested the rep from the B-O-D for each division be the rep. responsible for organizing this. Jerry said this was a good idea and he thought that the track champion should also be involved in this committee. He also said he would think having tech inspectors involved would be important, as well.
· Hank Calmes said he feels the club definitely needs a rules committee and that rule change suggestions should be brought up at meetings, then passed along to this rules committee (including tech inspectors) to research it before any decisions are made.
· Andy asked if the referee was fixed yet; Jerry said we will look into it and make sure it is working on practice day.
· Andy asked if the Kyle Busch deal was happening again this year? And if it is we need to look at our motor rules prior to then. Jerry said we will look into this if indeed he is planning on coming. Right now, we have heard nothing concrete.
· Todd Verhagen asked if we would be templating the LLM cars this year? We will look into doing this, but are not 100% sure at this time.
· Jerry commented again that Roger was very willing to work with FRRC this year on our contract. Jerry asked that members thank Roger the next time they see him.
· Mike Springstroh asked about rub rails for cars that race the Big Eight series, as most have them. Jerry said as of right now, NO. We have our own rules for this division.
50/50 winner was Terry Miller $74
Motion to adjourn was made by Dave Moderson, seconded by Tom Hockers
Meeting adjourned at 7:50 pm.
GENERAL MEETING NOTES
DATE: Monday, February 25, 2008 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Jerald Schneider called the meeting to order @ 7:04pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion to accept made by Dennis Baldry, seconded by Bill Fischer. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report and also read off prices for memberships and pit passes.
Motion to accept made by Jeff Zwiers, seconded by Dennis Stebane. Motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
· 2008 Rules—Rule books are in; each team can get one when their driver/car owner pays for their membership; 1 per team only. They are also available on the internet webpage for free at: www.frrcracing.com
· Jerry read off the 2008 Board of Directors:
Wir- Dave Valentyne
former officer-Jim Duchow
LM-Andy Monday
LLM-Dennis Stebane
SS-Nick Boldt
Sizzling 4—Randy Sankowsky
Sport t-Robb Vandermoss
Figure eight---Ken Van Wychen
· Jerry re-iterated that memberships are on sale again tonight; same rate as 2007.
· Jerry asked that the advertising committee-please see come up after the meeting.
· Contract meeting with Roger coming within the next two weeks
· Employee/contractor meeting occurred; Updates---Pat Barrett will be the flagman and Matt Panure will be the announcer. Most other positions will be the same as 2007.
NEW BUSINESS
· Jerry read off a report about his disappointment in the club, in general and how it should function properly. These thoughts were shared by the other officers, as well. The major points being: The definition of a club is “a group of individuals uniting together for a common cause” Far too many members get involved only when they feel it benefits them personally, with very few members concerned about the welfare and the continuing success of the FRRC. Threatening to sue officers and calling them names and complaining is not of any benefit to any club. A membership card should not be viewed as your license to bitch. The officers have been trying to keep things running smoothly and have been concentrating on what is good for the club as a whole and trying to be fair to all members and divisions. The club is only as good as it’s members. Try being more reasonable in your commentary and more productive as members.
· Update on nightly flyers—we still have 2 openings for $200 sponsors
· Nightly sponsors---still need the first and second week covered. If you have a lead, please see Larry after the meeting. The amount goes down to $2,000 per night for these sponsors.
· 2008 Final Schedule with sponsors to be announced soon. We are still trying to get the first two weeks covered.
TOPICS FROM THE FLOOR
· Mike Kelly asked why it says MSD 6-AL must be run by crate motors, as most don’t have them in. Jerry said the tech crew will take a look at that. This was already in the rules all the way back in 2006, so we were wondering why it wasn’t complied with for the last 2 years…
· Mike Kelly questioned the reasoning behind the side exhaust rule. Jerry explained it will be for 3 nights maximum, so travelers on triple crown nights don’t have to make a bunch of changes on their car to shake them down when prepping for the Red, White and Blue races. Mike asked if the noise was the reasoning behind this rule and what the thought was on changing the decibel level, rather than not allowing side exhaust.
· Jim Duchow gave feedback on the history of the rule; The 104 db was a line in the sand that was developed back when cars were felt to be too loud and folks were being fined for cars being too loud.
· Mike Kelly questioned what rocker arms are being allowed on Ford crate motors? Jerry said right now we are considering running them with 1.6 rockers, as that is how they come from the factory and adding weight to them. A few members gave their feedback and the issue was tabled until after the general meeting, so the LLM drivers could discuss it further.
· Mark Ritger mentioned that there will be a car show at the Chilton fairgrounds on April 27th and that FRRC cars can attend. Contact Mark for more details.
50/50 winner was Ron Magdanz $55
Motion to adjourn was made by Marty Nussbaum, seconded by Bill Fischer
Meeting adjourned at 7:33 pm.
GENERAL MEETING NOTES
DATE: Monday, January 28, 2008 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Jerald Schneider called the meeting to order @ 7:08pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion to accept made by Dave Moderson, seconded by Dennis Stebane. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report.
Motion to accept made…all in favor---several hands raised. Opposed- no hands raised. Motion carried
OLD BUSINESS
· Bylaw changes were read off by Jerry Schneider. Motion made to accept them made by Larry Sebeck. A raise of hands for all opposed…no hands were raised. Motion carried.
· Jerry mentioned that rules updates will be made similar to what Clint read off from last month’s meeting minutes. The Super Stock Division rules changes will be discussed separately after the general meeting in a group. Final rules will be posted on the website shortly, and rulebooks should be available at the next meeting.
· We took volunteers for the B-O-D for sizzlin’ 4—Randy Sankowsky and for Figure Eight—Ken Van Wychen. Jim Duchow will be the former officer, so all positions are filled. Now that this year’s board if formed, the officers will back out and let them develop guidelines and such.
NEW BUSINESS
· Jerry read off new business, which consisted of the following:
· Meeting scheduled with Roger (W.I.R.) for early next month for our contract signing
· Memberships start tonight-same rate as 2007
· Advertising committee—interested parties should come up to the head table after the meeting
· Update on nightly programs—we still have 2 openings for $200 sponsors
· Nightly sponsors are all set for 2008; official schedule will be released soon, after we designate 50/50 nights, as we want them on this years schedules
· Employee meeting will be on February 9th. at 1pm The meeting will be at the Pit Stop again, like in 2007. We are only calling the people we are interested in employing for 2008.
· Bud Triple Crown update will be pretty much the same as 2007.
· We need top gate workers for 2008. The pay is $25 a piece and you have to work 2-3 hours.
· Teams can submit pictures for the website, which is being done by Jason Shultz this year. Sandy is doing the weekly race reports. The new website is www.frrcracing.com
TOPICS FROM THE FLOOR
50/50 winner was Todd Verhagen $85
Motion to adjourn was made by Ed Howard, seconded by Dave Moderson.
Meeting adjourned at 7:43 pm.
DATE: Monday, November 26, 2007 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Jerald Schneider called the meeting to order @ 7:06pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion to accept made by Greg Hauser, seconded by Dave Moderson. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report.
Motion to accept made by Bill Fischer, seconded by Jeff Zwiers. Motion Carried.
OLD BUSINESS
· LM rule changes were discussed and are final; ABC body rule will be required, Bert and Brin Transmissions will be allowed, any and all crate motors that show up will weigh 2600 minimum and can have a 60/40 split. The top 3 ACE motors may be sent in to Brodix at the end of the year.
· LLM rule changes will be finalized after the meeting, but we are recommending that the unported motor stays an option, but must weight 50# more than last year and run the Edelbrock 2975 small intake. Crate motors can also add a small harmonic balancer, 1.6 rockers and carb spacer plates. We are recommending adding 50# for one or all of these options, but it will be tabled for the meeting afterwards
· SS rule changes will be discussed in a separate meeting afterwards and are tabled
· Sizzlin 4 rules—we will not be allowing adjustments to camber or stagger. These cars must remain stock. A master switch in the middle for safety will be required.
· Figure Eight division-no changes for 2008
· Inspectors for 2008 will not be decided on until we receive applications from everyone at the January meeting. Offers will be made in January and February for all hired help.
· Recommendations from officers for pick a lane were to only do this for semi-features and not heat races, keep double file restarts with the leader all alone
NEW BUSINESS
· Officers recommendations for saving time were: time limits enforced for all heat races, plus a 2 caution rule for every heat race, only interview the feature and semi feature race winners, Super stocks to qualify after their hot laps and possibly an earlier drivers meeting, so all shows start BY 7pm.
· Tom Rothe suggested time limits on all races.
· Jerry Quella said at Oshkosh the race winner waits in the infield until the next race is over or a caution and there is no delay. Jerry S. said that you cannot hear anything at all on the ¼ mile when there are cars on the ½ mile, so this wouldn’t make a big difference.
· Todd Baumann asked if there could be adjustments made after hot laps if the SS qualify right away. Jerry S. said we could adjust it, if needed
· Greg Hauser asked if the SS cars could be scaled before they qualify to save the chaos by the scale afterwards.
· Jeff Zwiers suggested an earlier start time to the evening, as fans don’t get there until later anyway, which shows they come to watch the features.
· Jim Vandenberg suggested adding feature laps and getting rid of heat races. Jerry S. said that a lot of drivers want to run more than one time a night.
· Tom Rosera suggested enforcing the time limits and the caution limit, as well.
· Pat Braun said the problems that cause the delays are the crazy driving, which needs more black flagging and the lengthy safety crew clean ups. Jerry S said we will be stricter with black flags this year.
· Dan Harrell thinks we should have up to 28 cars in the feature with a drop off in pay after so many cars. Jerry S. said last year we increased pay for the semi-features and the car count went up from previous years. He said with too many cars in the feature that don’t belong there, they can get in the way of the drivers that do belong there.
· Tom Hockers said he thinks you learn more from racing in the semi-features than getting lapped. Jerry S. agreed.
· Dave Moderson thinks drivers still take way too long to get in correct spots under caution. Jerry S said it will be addressed and enforced.
· Cal Harrell suggested taking more cars from qualifying than 14 is a better way to do things, otherwise top drivers fall behind in the tire program putting more laps on their tires. Andy Monday thought that the way it was done last year was a lot more exciting for the fans and he heard a lot of good feedback from fans about watching top drivers have to transfer in from the semi-feature. Jeff Zwiers said as long as the cars stay starting straight up in the semi, the better cars still end up transferring anyway.
· Andy Monday suggested staggering the ¼ mile and ½ mile races so the next race is always on the other track, so it could be adjusted for a lengthy clean up right away. Jerry S. said he thinks the next race should be en cue anyway next year and ready to roll.
· Hank Calmes agreed with the officer’s suggestion of having interviews just for semi-feature and feature winners.
· Jim Duchow felt that just by making 3 changes, we could shave off a ½ hour every night from our shows: 1. staggering races (getting the next race lined up and ready) 2. scrap heat race winner interviews 3. time limit and caution limit
· Jerry S. also mentioned again having an earlier drivers meeting could allow us to get started promptly at 7pm
· Mark Ritger suggested enforcing time limits more strictly, including features. Jerry S isn’t high on time limits on any feature races.
· Dan Harrell agrees about getting rid of all the heat race winner interviews, but thinks we should still take victory lane photos. Jeff Zwiers said we have a banner for this, but people have to get it out and in place early on. Al Goueleke suggested possibly taping interviews and playing them later. Jerry S. said that would be another task for someone to commit to doing.
· Tom Rosera suggested group qualifying sessions, due to transponders to save time. Jerry S said we have toyed with this idea, but prefer the way it is done now.
· Tim Rothe said preliminary events aren’t what make the show run late, it is what happens after 7pm
· Monty Tetzlaff said that time limits on heat races will get people moving quicker.
· Marty Nussbaum suggested unleashing the figure eights at 9:45pm every night, no matter what else is going on.
· Terry Korth suggested we make a motion or move on to another topic
· Jerry S. brought up the leader alone on double file restarts. Andy Monday thinks the leader should start by himself in the front row. Jerry brought the topic up for a vote to do the pick a lane the same way we did it this year, which received 26 votes and the leader all alone received 1 vote.
· Snell requirement will be upgraded to meet snell requirements
· Mike Kelly brought up the possibility of enforcing decibel requirements; Jerry S. said this issue will be tabled.
· Tom Schweitzer asked about whether the 4 cylinders would be in the points fund distribution for 2008. Jerry S said instead of doing this, this division may have a higher nightly pay out instead. Tim Richter thought that by not allowing rule changes, it would be putting frrc sizzlin’4s on an island.
· Jerry Quella suggested increasing the top gate to $10 for fireworks night and buy some extra fireworks. Jerry S. said he hates to change the price when people that show up are expecting to pay $9. Jerry did say that the FRRC could pursue getting a fireworks sponsor, though so we could shoot more off. Bill Fischer asked how much the fireworks cost the club. Jerry S answered $1,500 from FRRC and $1,500 from W.I.R. Mark Ritger said that Slinger gets a sponsor and still charges the fans a $1 more. Jeff Z. said we are getting over $5,000 worth of fireworks for $3,000 and only paying for ½ of that cost, so we are getting a big bargain. Mike Springstroh suggested getting more sponsorship money for that night. Larry MacArthur said we have to take care of our long time sponsors, so it is hard to suddenly ask for more $$. Jerry S said we ask for the same amount from sponsors and don’t do separate sponsor packages.
· Cal Harrell suggested that all heats get the same amount of points
· Todd Baumann thought that the best average time isn’t fair for rainouts. Jerry S. said that is just the way it has always been done and saw no reason to change it.
· Jerry S. walked through suggested bylaw changes. Dan Harrell suggested that we also omit in Article 4 section 3 “excitement and refreshments” for how monies can be spent. Jerry S. said suggested bylaw changes will be posted on the internet for everyone to see. They will be voted on at the next meeting.
· Hank Calmes asked what the penalty would be for not adhering to the black flag. Jerry S said it will be clearly explained at future meetings.
· Jim Vandenberg asked if any changes would be made to the tire rule. Jerry S. said we will keep it the same. Black and round.
· Printing of rule books will more than likely be done by the February meeting.
· Andy Monday asked what the R, W and B dates are for 2007. Larry MacArthur said they are June 14th, July 19th and August 16th. Dave Valentyne also added that there will be an ASA Midwest race on the first Tuesday in August.
50/50 winner was Andy Monday $64
Motion to adjourn was made by Gary Bock, seconded by Dave Valentyne.
Meeting adjourned at 8:10 pm.
DATE: Monday, October 22, 2007 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Chris Shields called the meeting to order @ 7:00pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Motion made to accept by Marty Nussbaum, seconded by Monty Tetzlaff. Motion Carried
Cheryl Schneider (Book keeper) read the Treasurer’s report for Treasurer Larry MacArthur, who was unable to attend the meeting.
Motion to accept made by Dave Moderson, seconded by Andy Monday. Motion Carried.
OLD BUSINESS
Chris announced that we were taking write-ins from the general body for the club President position.
Jerry Schneider announced his candidacy for the open position of president and wrote his name on the board as a write in candidate for the election.
Jeff Zwiers said that he was declining his nomination, but did say a few words on why he felt the FRRC needs a president with experience.
No more write in’s were received.
Chris next announced that we were taking write-ins from the general body for the club Secretary. None were received.
Speeches were given for the presidential candidates. Chris gave his speech and Jerry declined to give a speech.
Next, Chris brought up the divisional rules meetings which were scheduled by the officers for after the general meeting.
Tim Rothe asked why the changes in inspectors was never brought up in front of the general body for a discussion.
Chris responded that the officers felt a change was needed and that more extensive teching was needed in the pits.
Jeff Zwiers asked how we can be just in the process of electing new club officers, when the ones that are up for election were already involved in making personnel decisions. He said Clint can attest to the fact that employees and contractors are typically not hired until January and February every year.
Chris said the officers wanted the inspectors to be involved early on in rules meetings and discussions right from the start this year.
Tim Rothe said elected officers are the tech people’s boss and that the newly elected officers should be giving the tech people direction on what they want to see teched . He said the club body should have been at the very least prepped on what qualifications these new tech inspectors have and what tools they own to inspect properly with.
Chris said that the officers felt that these new tech people have the knowledge required for the position.
Tim Rothe said it should have been brought up to the club body for a discussion before any decisions were made.
Jeff Zwiers commented that he felt that inspectors shouldn’t need to be at the meetings if they were just discussions and not to make any decisions. That is why he felt like we jumped the gun on hiring new inspectors.
Hank Calmes said that he feels like when the club hires people, the officers should have the final say, even if the issue is discussed with the general club body.
Chris said that maybe the officers jumped the gun on this action and that the officers should make the final decision, but that it could have been brought up to the club body for discussion. He said that was our mistake.
Mike Kelly asked if we ever called other tracks to get info about the LLM rules, as getting rid of the unported motors is getting rid of the number one motor option in the state for LLM’s
Chris said this was already voted on and is a done deal.
Jeff Zwiers brought up that it was voted on in the past and the only recent vote was to allow one more year as a run off for the unported motors for 2007. He said this division is supposed to be a stepping stone to moving up to the LM division.
Judi Monday said unported motors have been being progressively weeded out for years now
Hank Calmes said that the reason to limit the motor options was to limit the costs in this division.
Chris suggested that if there are so many people FOR bringing back this motor option, is should be brought up in the LLM rules meeting discussions afterwards.
Dan Harrell made a motion that we take the discussion in another direction until the elections take place, otherwise we are discussing things with officers that may not even be in office, so everything is tentative.
Next Chris briefly moved on to the other agenda items of: Pick-a-lane or straight up, leader alone on restarts or by himself. He said these issues would be discussed at length next month and decided on.
Chris brought up for a vote the season length:
Tom Gee gave a short analysis from our book keeper Cheryl Schneider about past years attempts to extent the season, try different nights, etc and how much money was lost in this process.
Votes for the same length at 2007: 72
Votes for more events than 2007: 0
Votes for less events than 2007: 0
Lastly for old business the general body was called up for elections. While elections were being counted, we moved on to new business.
NEW BUSINESS
Chris brought up the topic of crate motors.
He said we could find a local engine builder to police this and have
them be the club’s preferred rebuilder. Anyone not being rebuilt
by them would be subject to a possible tear down
at any time.
Tim Rothe asked what happens if a traveler comes?
Cal Harrell said once we find this local engine builder, he will start charging more.
Hank Calmes suggested checking with Madison on how they check them.
Terry Korth asked what it would take for
folks to find these bolts that the club’s local engine builder was using and
use them themselves. He said you find such items advertised in
magazines.
Pat Braun said the only way to test it accurately is to dyno it.
Chris asked where the money would come from to dyno it? Pat said the driver asking for the dyno should pay for it.
Lowell Bennett said there is a chasis dyno place in Greenville
Tim Springstroh said most crates have questionable parts on them.
Monty Tetzlaff said the dyno machine at Madison doesn’t lie
Chris asked who would pay for the dyno trip to Madison and the transportation there and back?
Chris said these are all good ideas to bring to the rules meetings
Jim Vandenberg said we should still look into the chasis dyno place.
Tim Springstroh said there are too many other parts on the car that affect a chassis dyno.
Tom Gee mentioned that we have plaques and trophies up front left over from the
Banquet for people to pick up after the meeting.
Jim Ebben asked how the rules meetings
will be policed? Chris said prospective tech inspectors and officers
would police them and take notes.
50/50 was done and the winner of $51 was Mike Kelly
Election results: Secretary
nominated candidates: Clint Smith 84
declared write in candidates: none
President
Nominated candidates: Chris Shields 38
Declared write in candidates: Jerry Schneider 61
Chris called the newly elected president, Jerry Schneider to the front to adjourn the meeting
Motion was made by Lowell Bennett and seconded by Monty Tetzlaff
Meeting adjourned at 8:11pm
NEXT MONTHS MEETING WILL BE THE 4TH MONDAY IN NOVEMBER, NOT THE 3RD ONE, DUE TO EARLY DEER HUNTING SEASON.
DATE: Monday, September 24, 2007 TIME: 7 pm
PLACE: The Darboy Club
President Chris Shields called the meeting to order @ 7:01pm.
Clint gave the secretary’s report.
Larry Sebeck mentioned that at the last driver’s meeting of the year, officers said that having the leader start alone in the front row was discussed at the April meeting, yet there was no mention of it. Clint looked through the minutes and found that Larry was correct that restarts were not discussed at the April meeting, but were discussed in the March meeting, as well as earlier meetings. Correction noted.
Motion to accept made by Andy Monday, seconded by Marty Nussbaum. Motion Carried.
Larry McArthur gave the Treasurer's report.
Roughly $45,000 will be paid out for this year’s points fund, which is more than double last years, due to higher fan counts, more sponsored nights and overall cooperation from the club as a whole.
Doug carpenter asked if checks were mailed out, as we announced they would be at the last drivers meeting. Larry apologized and said this was not able to happen, but checks are available tonight.
Motion to accept made by Mike Bunnell, seconded by Dennis Baldry. Motion Carried.
OLD BUSINESS
· Chris mentioned that we were seeking feedback from the 07 season on the pick a lane restarts.
Larry Seebeck said he thinks the leader should have the front row to himself.
Andy Monday suggested keeping it the way it was as it is more exciting for the fans
Cal Harrell suggested we should move the cone further down the straightaway for pick a lane
Larry Seebeck suggested putting it going into turn 3
Jeff Zwiers said pick a lane by the front stretch worked and got better as the season went on
Tom Gee suggested doing it on the middle of the backstretch, as it works at Norway.
Clint mentioned that it will be harder to police that way
Dan Harrell said that in the semi feature pick a lane should go right to the end, as it is a very important race with a lot on the line, so the 5 to go single file should be waved for semi –features. Officers liked this idea a lot and will take it under advisement for future rules and procedure changes.
Terry Korth asked what other tracks do. Tom mentioned that Norway does the leader all alone and Clint mentioned Slinger has the leader pick a lane (inside or outside) and the rest fall in line in their current running order—no cone or option to pick a lane.
Tom Gee suggested the leader by himself only gives the leader a slight advantage and double file may actually give the outside car a small advantage.
Andy Monday said side by side also keeps the leader honest and prevents him from jumping the start on everyone.
Chris Shields suggested seriously considering what Dan Harrell mentioned about doing away with the pick a lane with less than 5 laps to go in the semi features.
Hank Calmes suggested not doing pick a lane and line up straight up, but thought that whatever we decide to do we should stick with it all year long.
Chris Shields mentioned there were a lot of
good discussions on the topic and lots of
things to think about when deciding on the procedures for the
’08 season
· Chris brought up suspensions and fines. We donated a like amount comparable to the fines we collected in the amount of $300 to the Kemkes Breast Cancer fundraiser.
Doug Carpenter asked if suspensions are carried over to the following year? Chris said no, they are not and are also “competition weeks only” rainouts do NOT count.
Mark Ritger said he felt on the ¼ mile the flagman lost control of the races. He said there was way too much over aggressive driving and not enough black flags.
Randy Sankowsky said there was also no control in the 4 cylinder races on the ¼ mile, where drivers were just deliberately taking others out with no repercussions. He said he wasn’t sure if the flagman was tired, or why he wasn’t addressing this issue more.
Chris mentioned that
the officers will discuss these issues further before making a decision on
who the flagman
would be in 2008.
· Chris briefly mentioned that the crate motor option would be more than likely written into the rules for 2008 as 60/40 split and 2600# minimum weight. This would be for any and all crate motors, including ASA LM cars. Chris said if members have feelings on this, please bring them to the rules meetings next month.
· Chris asked for a motion to destroy the ballots from the V.P. votes from the July drivers meeting. Motion made by Andy Monday, seconded by Evan Carpenter
· Chris took nominations for President:
Chris Shields was nominated by Andy Monday and
accepted the nomination
Jeff Zwiers was nominated by Cal Harrell and said he would have an answer
at the next meeting
Nominations were closed
· Chris took nominations for Secretary:
Clint Smith was nominated by Marty Nussbaum and accepted the nomination
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